FITNESS

Asking For Help

Turkish Get-Up. Ask for help. Trust Me

Let’s face it, at some point or another all of us have looked at a lift we have never done before in a magazine or online and gone into the gym and tried it. I did this about a year ago. For me the move was the Turkish Get-Up. I won’t lie to you guys, I watched videos on bodybuilding, looked at various sites and went into the gym with the confidence that only a huge dickhead can muster. Suffice to say, I went home with a pulled muscle in my oblique and missed two days at the gym.

I have been going to the same gym for a long time. I know every trainer and all of the regulars. I can think of, even now, at least 3 people who I could have walked up to and asked for a form check. But I didn’t and I suffered for it. Lesson learned.

Fast forward to today. My gym has a deadlift platform and three power racks in one place and three more power racks, side by side, in another. I was at one of the power racks squatting.

Always go deeper than parallel

I am a big believer in going deeper than parallel, my form is good and because I am only now restarting (just the TIP to see how it feels) and I am using really light weights I am pretty much looking as on track as can be. Someone came up to me from the next rack over, an obvious newbie, and asked me for a tip on squatting. I, of course, said to lower the weight drastically and use a box to gauge depth along with a few other squat pointers. For having the courage simply to ask a question, something I failed at and suffered the consequences of, they walked away, in a quick 30 seconds, with new knowledge on how to better their workout and avoid injury.

After the gym, thinking of the situation, I was reminded of how I first came to coaching J.Nyx. He simply sent me a message telling me that he was trying to get a physique like mine, had been working for years and has not seen the results he wanted. A few days of conversations and we had him set up on a plan and he saw the best physique of his life a few short months later. When I think of the balls on J.Nyx to even send that first message I am incredibly impressed. To say this to a guy you barely know must be incredibly intimidating. I don’t think I could have done it and if pressed to answer I would probably say I couldn’t.

Kurt Marnul. Because someone had to teach Arnold to lift.

The truth is, no matter what we do there is someone out there that does it better and if we don’t ask for help, tips, pointers or advice we are simply stunting our own growth and growth is why we are here in the first place. So whether you are brand new to the game or you are a many year veteran, when you step out of your comfort zone try to leave your ego behind and ask for help when you are not sure. It may sting the ego a little bit, but think of the ego as just another muscle to be conditioned. How do we condition muscle? We create micro tears in fibers so that they will heal and grow stronger.

So today I am going to give you guys an interesting challenge. If there is a lift that you have struggled with or one that you have never tried make it a point to do it. Get your ass in the gym and ask someone, whether they are a fellow lifter or a gym trainer. Eat your ego, don’t be embarrassed or shy, be polite (of course) and ask someone for help.

Comment below on lifts that you have had trouble with in the past or lifts you have never tried and have wanted to but were unsure of your form.

WB FITNESS

14 Comments

B1k3_Ch41N

I’ve been advised by a couple of gym instructors that squatting too low will mess up the knees later on in life. I think that’s bullshit unless you squat improperly i.e. arching your back which I don’t.
The best results I had when I went ass to grass and not half arsing the squat.
What your take on this WB.

WB Fitness

You are pretty right here. Sure, if your form is crap and you go too low you putt too much pressure on your knees and that will, in fact, fuck them up. This is something I have seen when people with a yoga background, very flexible, try to make the move into lifting. It is an all too common mistake to squat with ones knees. In proper form you should have an arched back and then, rather than bending through your knees, you make a motion like you are sitting down and just let your knees travel forward the weight is pushed not through the knees and down but through the posterior chain muscle working your glutes, your hams and your quads. The motion of a squat is a very controlled act of sitting down on a toilet. If you do it right you won’t have any trouble with your knee when you go further than parallel.

I will say that the gym instructor you spoke to was 100% right if you are putting that weight on your knees. If you are below parallel in bad form with weight across your traps you are asking for trouble.

Side Note: Another mistake I see a lot that leads to knee issues is people with their feet pointing in different ways. Your feet should both be pointed forward.

Consolation_of_Philosophy

I am gonna disagree. Full disclosure: lingering nerve damage from a spine injury has left my right hamstring hugely brittle and spasmy. So I may not be the best to comment on lower body stuff, as I cannot accommodate heavy lifts right now. However— the “compound” impact of compound lifts is completely invisible (at least to my body) until I pass the 12th rep on any given set. After that, I feel all the secondary muscles kicking in hard to support the form. That experience does *not* happen at high weight/low volume. With something like squats, this is the point where the abs, low back, and even lats kick up a frenzy to keep the shit together. No sense of pressure on the knees. Feel it in the hip pocket, far more. I’ve been doing sets of 16 on the bar and 25 with machines.

WB Fitness

This is absolutely right and it is why everyone who lifts, from aesthetics guys to body builders in all three divisions to power lifters are always going for more reps. A power lifter may get on stage and do a feat of strength 1RM but that isn’t how he trains.

What you say here about squats goes the same for bench press. I won’t feel the “compound” aspect of the bench press until after 10-12 reps. People always amaze me with 5×5 stuff. 5 bench presses, no matter what the weight, is the body building equivalent to jerking off to porn. To paraphrase Patton (or possibly just the movie I don’t know) “those sons a bitches doing low or mid range lifts know about as much about compound lifts as they do about fucking”

Consolation_of_Philosophy

Totally agree about bench press. At rep 13, with failure close, I can feel the fine muscles of the mid back switching on. All the stabilizer muscles along the spine switch on to maintain balance under the load. I had a coworker with back problems ask me how I got out of the hole I was in, and I told him to start bench pressing!

I am learning a ton about physical anatomy from the high rep experience. It’s a trip.

WB Fitness

Comments like this are why I kee hustling!

J.Nyx

Thanks for the mention bro! I fell for the Mendhi 5×5 internet SS meme. Ate like crap, lifted 5×5 plateaued and realized I was wasting time. WB is the same height and basic build as me but way more muscular. I figured, when I want advice, I go to an expert. Fuck the thousands of articles online. Fuck all the bullshit. I basically said “teach me how to get big” and he did and still does.

Fear and ego can be a motherfucker, they can cause you to miss so many opportunities.

Lou Skunt

Absolutely Jynx! Get out there and kill it, Brother!

I came up in this game before the internet. Back then, we relied on magazines with quality content and Real Men in the gym who were all seasoned professionals to advise us. These days, I see such a wide array of conflicting information (thanks to the internet) regarding workouts, diet, etc. – I would actually consider this to be one of the bigger challenges in developing a proper fitness routine.

This is why I have nothing but praise for WB and what he’s doing here… in a sea of bullshit (known as the internet) he’s cutting right through the crap and providing Sound Principles, Classic Old School Work Ethic, a High Level of Camaraderie and No Fucking Nonsense.

WB Fitness

Thanks Lou! I was just telling someone the other day that when I tell someone to work out like Zane and Arnold they look at me like I am insane.

The web is a great resource, but the truth is you will find whatever you look for. Vegan Diet plus tying your shoes 83 times a day will lead to great physique. Whatever. Hard Work. Sound Principles and lots of food. It is the only thing that has ever worked. Everything else is just fleecing idiots like PT Barnum

J.Nyx

Spot on Lou! When I first started lifting it was so good damned confusing. I wish I found WB before all that cause I wouldn’t have wasted so much time. Good thing that volume packs on muscle fast if you’re dedicated.

bem

When did you ever refuse an accommodation?

Lou Skunt

Great post and a very important subject!

This reminds me of a very specific instance where I finally mustered up the courage to ask a fellow gym member for help. This particular experience had such an impact on my training, that I remember it like it was yesterday…

Now, we’re going waaaay back to December 1989, the week before Christmas. I started to lift seriously that summer after high school graduation. After 6 months of training, I achieved some good gains, and I had a pretty solid grasp of many of the movements in the gym, but I had an issue with my squat. At 6′-0″, I have rather long arms and legs for my height. My longer legs created a bit of a challenge; I couldn’t squat down low enough without by back leaning too far forward.

Here’s what happened… This was leg day, I was just setting things up in the squat rack, and next to me in the other squat rack, I noticed “Big Jeff” – a National Level Competitor. Jeff was a Monster, a very serious guy, very focused and very intimidating, if I recall correctly, he was about 42-years old at the time. As he squatted next to me, I immediately noticed his form – like a piston rotating up and down on a crankshaft – everything fluid and perfect. I looked at myself in the mirror as I attempted my squats and I looked pathetic compared to Jeff. I took my sweet ass time with my squats, and when it appeared that Jeff was finished, I thought to myself “fuck it” and I calmly approached him for advice.

To my surprise, he was very nice and quick to help me. I told him my issue with my squats. He turned me to the side and had me look into the mirror and perform a squat. He then turned me back to face the mirror. He made me adjust my foot placement so my knees tracked properly over my big toe and he also made me place the bar slightly lower on my traps/shoulders. Bingo! – I was squatting correctly for the first time. This was pivotal moment in my training.

NEVER be afraid to ask for Help!

WB Fitness

“To my surprise, he was very nice and quick to help me”
A long time ago when I was first starting out I was also always surprised. As I got older I learned an immutable fact: strong, confident, powerful and talented men are almost never to be feared. They have nothing to prove and tend to be the nicest guys (The Rock, Kai Greene, Arnold, Stallone, etc, etc, etc, etc) are all just genuinely sweet dudes and always stop to give a helping hand. Even CT Fletcher, for all his ISYMFS insanity is really just a great guy. Being asked for help is a compliment for anyone and people with nothing to prove are always happy to help.

It’s funny, I talk about marching through the gym looking like I am going to walk right the fuck through someone and that is true. I am filled with in the zone passion and consumed by the work out. You could mistake me for a really mean bastard if you watch me walk away from the 20th rep of a set of deads with my head exploding and just doing the walk around to bring myself back to normal, occasionally not even realizing I am doing it. However, that is just the focus of the moment. In the very next moment I will be the first person to run after someone to tell them they left their phone at station or whatnot.

In my entire life I have never met anyone, in the gym, on the baseball diamond, in the boxing rings, in the streets or in the bars, never anyone who was strong and capable and acted like a total dick for no reason…quite the contrary. Looks can often be deceiving.

That may be partially why it is so hard to ask for help. The guys who know what they are doing look freaking scary. The people at the gym who are all in are some of the nicest (and some of the smartest) guys I’ve ever met. They don’t have to act strong, they are strong.

Lou Skunt

You are absolutely correct. I learned this fact once Big Jeff began to introduce me to the other guys in the gym. They all took me under their wing and treated me with respect, offered words of encouragement and truckloads of insight – I quickly went from a “friend of mine” to a “friend of ours.”

Over the next few years, I encountered 3 other men in the business world – highly successful, very powerful and on the surface, VERY intimidating. Once again, I learned that these types of men are not to be feared, and as long as you’re not a shit head, they are more than willing to provide wisdom and contribute heavily to your personal growth.

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